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#1 Alexis Tregelen

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Posted Star Date 22008.13 @ 00:26 (12:26 AM)

Here it is, the first animated Star Trek show (we don't count TAS right? ;)).

 

So on the whole I really enjoyed the show. I loved all the little nods that they gave to the previous shows, I watched the 'TrekCulture' video about all the easter eggs and i got most of them myself but there were a few in there that I didn't pick up on.

 

I'm excited to see where they are going to take it.

 

So a reminder to keep things civil in here, if you don't the comments will be removed.


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Posted Star Date 22008.13 @ 21:14 (09:14 PM)

It's just not funny. It feels like an obvious cash grab and CBS trying to salvage what's left of their fan base. 


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Posted Star Date 22008.14 @ 01:12 (01:12 AM)

Not exactly my kind of humor, but I can see where it is geared towards kids and such. It has just enough for us old folks to grin at now and then. It isn't going to be my favorite series, but I will watch a few more and see if it grows on me.


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Posted Star Date 22008.14 @ 05:33 (05:33 AM)

Not exactly my kind of humor, but I can see where it is geared towards kids and such. It has just enough for us old folks to grin at now and then. It isn't going to be my favorite series, but I will watch a few more and see if it grows on me.

Agreed. There were a few times where I thought "okay, that's funny". But if it really is geared toward kids, it's sending them the wrong message. The animation style I can get past as at least it looks like Star Trek. It just feels wrong.


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#5 Alexis Tregelen

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Posted Star Date 22008.14 @ 07:51 (07:51 AM)

Lower Decks is aimed at adults, the show that is aimed at kids is scheduled to be on Nickelodeon starting next year.


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Posted Star Date 22008.14 @ 08:37 (08:37 AM)

Lower Decks is aimed at adults, the show that is aimed at kids is scheduled to be on Nickelodeon starting next year.

I know, God help them. But from looking at Lower Decks, it certainly looks like a kid show these days. You know kids are going to watch it anyway.


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Posted Star Date 22008.17 @ 17:01 (05:01 PM)

I'm hoping they write the story better personally. With this last episode I felt like the A-plot was just contrived and almost pointless. Yeah I get it for the most parts these aren't the A-team, and more like the Z-Team type of thing. The whole planetside of the episode, while it had funny moments, just seemed stupid.

 

The B-plot on the other hand I was more invested in. Watching Rutherford test drive all the other departments was interesting to watch. The only stupid part of that whole situation was hearing that the children got blown into space during the "easy" simulation. I kinda felt bad for laughing at it, but it was funny because it was just so stupid. I thought it was nice of Rutherford to find a different department to work in so he and Tendi could hang out.

 

Food for thought: What exactly is the Janeway Protocol? And how did Rutherford have 105% casualties in his first simulation!?



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Posted Star Date 22008.18 @ 23:44 (11:44 PM)

I finished episode two last night. I can say that I liked this episode more than the first episode. I found myself laughing out loud a number of times and im really looking forward to the next episode.

 

Yes I agree that the planetside 'A-Plot' was a bit silly with the drunken Klingon but it had its moments. I loved the plot with Rutherford changing his department. We do it all the time here with characters swapping departments to fill holes so I love that we now have definitive canon that its not only possible but welcomed.

 

Janeway Protocol: Memory-Alpha notes it as "Its use would typically occur when a starship encountered a temporal rift that pulled the vessel towards it." but I would have thought considering the show its used in would be more of a joke about losing crew.

 

105% Casualties: Maybe some people were pregnant and therefore more children were lost?


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Posted Star Date 22008.27 @ 10:40 (10:40 AM)

I don't know why, but I just saw episode 4.

 

RANT (from a pseudo-objective writer's perspective) WITH SPOILERS in three...two...one...

 

That episode actually felt more like what Star trek comedy should be. There was a few moments that made me actually laugh, but seeing Mariner "fail up" for an episode was kind of funny. Of course it was all a plot by her mother to try and get her to transfer or flat out resign as usual, but seeing her in her own personal hell was kind of nice. Then seeing Boimler try to do fail up on purpose in response and just get ignored was actually funny.  

 

I get that Starfleet is supposed to be the best and brightest, but Mariner is actually a WORSE Mary Sue than Wesley Crusher. BUT at least Mariner has character flaws that she could work through if she was either forced or coerced into doing it. We know the reason why she is so immature and insubordinate, but she doesn't have to be good at everything. Everything. Having served on all of those (and forgive the use of this word) "uppity" starships, I can see how that molded her already rebellious personality, not to mention having her mother as the Captain and her father as an Admiral. 

 

I get that Lower Decks is supposed to be satire, and with that in mind I can get past the fact that Mariner is a...palatable version of Rick Sanchez (Lower Decks is just Rick and Morty with Star Trek paint), But Rick Sanchez actually lets people fail after they say "No! You don't know everything!" and then hurries to catch them at the last second just to prove a point because he's a jerk, Mariner isn't like that. 

 

At least Rick himself fails from time to time. Does he learn anything from his failures? Well, that's probably why he's such a prolific scientist. I don't want to use the word good since Rick is basically a chaotic good character, where as Mariner is chaotic neutral meaning she shirks traditions and likes to break the rules. Mariner learned throughout her "career" when, where, and how to break them.

 

That being said, Mariner has the potential to be a more likable Mary Sue-ish character than Wesley Crusher and Michael Burnham. Mariner - again from a writer's perspective - is a more "honest" character because she never pretends like she doesn't have all the answers, where as Burnham is written to always be the one to come up with the solutions. The story revolves around Michael Burnham.

 

I call Mariner a Mary Sue-ish character because 1. even though she's an insufferable know-it-all, nobody reveres her(most likely by Mariner's design), and 2. she clearly has experience to draw from even though we haven't seen it yet. 

 

==End of Rant==

 

With that out of the way, I still stand by my first critique that Lower Decks (and all New Trek under CBS) is filled with left-wing SJW identity politics and virtue signaling Marxist propaganda that strive to subvert our culture and force their degenerate "principles" on us fans whom they constantly degrade and demonize for not "bending the knee" to them and instead call them out on their uninspired "talking points". 

 

Unless you've been beaten over the head with it your whole life or have otherwise become desensitized to it (Or just flat don't care that "Cancel Culture" has practically ruined our beloved franchises), no one with a soul wants that tripe. 

 

And I'll say it AGAIN. I've got no problems with strong, female characters, minority leads, et cetera. Hell, the Orville (Which is what a Star Trek comedy should aspire to) has a male gay couple and one of them is Second Officer. But do they virtue signal them? No. They have flaws like everyone else. They have good, interesting, sometimes cringey (holodeck gay porn episode, remember?) story arcs that make you care about them. 


Edited by Ens Xenara Xardeen, Star Date 22008.27 @ 11:01 (11:01 AM).

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#10 Alexis Tregelen

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Posted Star Date 22009.01 @ 05:06 (05:06 AM)

After 4 episodes im still really enjoying the series. I like just being able to put it on and have a laugh.

 

The latest episode I enjoyed the mother/daughter dynamic that was explored with the Captain and Mariner.

 

I haven't really found anything that I haven't liked about the show yet.

 

As it is looking more like an episodic comedy than anything with an ongoing arc I don't think that anyone should worry about anything being 'spoiled' and yeah, can just have some fun with it.


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Posted Star Date 22009.02 @ 05:23 (05:23 AM)

From a writer's perspective, it's easy to dissect. If you're into that kind of thing. 

 

From a fan perspective, I just don't find it that funny. It has it's moments I guess, but the whole thing just...feels wrong. 


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Posted Star Date 22009.03 @ 17:40 (05:40 PM)

Just saw episode 5, and I think Mariner is secretly in love with Boimler. 


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Posted Star Date 22010.11 @ 10:33 (10:33 AM)

As much as I dislike the show, it brings up interesting prospects. Such as, what happened to all of those planets that Kirk and the TNG crew visited? Second contact is an interesting idea, and I wonder if they would make good missions for us. Like Beta 3, the Guardian of Forever (isn't that quarantined?), Balok, Henry Mudd's planet, et cetera. 

 

So many possibilities. 


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#14 Alexis Tregelen

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Posted Star Date 22010.11 @ 22:22 (10:22 PM)

Those ideas are already written down (not those specific planets but revisiting episodes) but if you wanted to write any im sure Paul would be up for that.

 

And yes, the Guardian of Forever is under strict quarantine and observation.


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Posted Star Date 22010.12 @ 15:39 (03:39 PM)

Those ideas are already written down (not those specific planets but revisiting episodes) but if you wanted to write any im sure Paul would be up for that.

 

And yes, the Guardian of Forever is under strict quarantine and observation.

So weird talking to a ghost... 

 

Thanks. I just had a random thought when I saw that last episode. 


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Posted Star Date 22010.16 @ 16:48 (04:48 PM)

I've just been catching up on Lower Decks now I have proper internet and streaming, and watched the whole season today. I can't say I like it really, it just didn't capture my interest. I don't know what the demographic is they're aiming it at, but I guess I'm not in it. Again with the modern obsession with speaking really really quickly to appear intelligent or zany (Zachary Quinto I'm looking at you too) which just bores me. I didn't really laugh at any of the humour in Lower Decks, and only really enjoyed the part with the Titan and crew. 

 

But that's okay.

 

As I said way back in another thread there will be a Trek for everyone's tastes at the rate things are going. I'm not against animated shows as I love Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, and I'm not against humour as I love all Futurama (which does better Trek jokes than Lower Decks imo), so maybe I'll prefer the tone of Prodigy when we hear more about that show.

 

I actually preferred the first episode of Discovery season 3, but I guess that's a whole other kettle of gagh  ;)


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Posted Star Date 22010.16 @ 19:46 (07:46 PM)

I've just been catching up on Lower Decks now I have proper internet and streaming, and watched the whole season today. I can't say I like it really, it just didn't capture my interest. I don't know what the demographic is they're aiming it at, but I guess I'm not in it. Again with the modern obsession with speaking really really quickly to appear intelligent or zany (Zachary Quinto I'm looking at you too) which just bores me. I didn't really laugh at any of the humor in Lower Decks, and only really enjoyed the part with the Titan and crew. 

 

But that's okay.

 

As I said way back in another thread there will be a Trek for everyone's tastes at the rate things are going. I'm not against animated shows as I love Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, and I'm not against humor as I love all Futurama (which does better Trek jokes than Lower Decks imo), so maybe I'll prefer the tone of Prodigy when we hear more about that show.

 

I actually preferred the first episode of Discovery season 3, but I guess that's a whole other kettle of gagh  ;)

Don't even get me started on STD season 3. Only one episode in and I'm wanting to flagellate myself. The whole season just looks horrible from the trailers.

 

And I agree, Futurama is so much better at Star Trek jokes. If they had gone that route, it might have actually been worth watching. But Lower Decks is for people with short attention spans, made by people who hate Star Trek.

 

The only thing that made me laugh was Badgie(which was an obvious pun of Microsoft's Clippy) and watching Mariner fail up in that other episode. At least Boimler finally got away from her. Marina Sirtis was the only saving grace of the latest episode.


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Posted Star Date 22108.29 @ 07:15 (07:15 AM)

Random thought:  what if the Pakleds end up with a copy of Badgey, a program designed to be educational?


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 00:16 (12:16 AM)

I like that thought, sounds like a decent mission idea too ;)


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 00:30 (12:30 AM)

Lower Decks is part of Site Canon as it doesn't interfere too much with site history, so it's easily doable!


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 01:56 (01:56 AM)

I hope this thread wasn't made just to bash Lower Decks. I freaking love it, and "as a writer," I think it's damn clever. Also, everyone just piling on something to say they don't like it definitely isn't kosher. I know other people on the site like it too, and I feel like this thread needs to be a little open... not everyone likes or dislikes the same things. 


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 02:09 (02:09 AM)

I hope this thread wasn't made just to bash Lower Decks. I freaking love it, and "as a writer," I think it's damn clever. Also, everyone just piling on something to say they don't like it definitely isn't kosher. I know other people on the site like it too, and I feel like this thread needs to be a little open... not everyone likes or dislikes the same things. 

It just feels like Kurtzman hired comedy writers who never watched a single episode of Star Trek and it shows. As a writer though it IS fun to pick apart and does raise some interesting questions. Also decent for an idea generator.


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 02:29 (02:29 AM)



It just feels like Kurtzman hired comedy writers who never watched a single episode of Star Trek and it shows. As a writer though it IS fun to pick apart and does raise some interesting questions. Also decent for an idea generator.

 

...I feel like there's been nothing BUT throwbacks. Like, maybe even more than necessary. From reading this thread, and all the bashing, it just sounds like we're talking about two totally different shows. 


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 02:56 (02:56 AM)

Optimists see one where pessimists see another. Then again, we pessimists have been jaded by Discovery and Picard.

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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 03:27 (03:27 AM)

I've never really understood this. You can like or not like things as is your personal taste, but if you don't like it, then shrug and move on. There is no need to bash. If it isn't your flavor, then don't drink from that fountain again. You have a right to professionally express your differences in writing style and so on.

 

Personally, I like them all. Some I like better than others. Every single one of them suffers from poor writing sooner or later, but they rarely all have the same writers, no matter what series you ever encounter. I love it when they mix up writers and directors, giving you some variety in view and approach to the material. The Mandalorian gets top marks for that, but I won't digress outside of the topic here. Can you imagine what it would have been like if we never deviated from TOS?

 

By all means, be a respectful fan with an opinion. Please don't be a "Gatekeeper" who tries to define what should or shouldn't be considered part of the collection. There, that's MY opinion.


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 03:54 (03:54 AM)

The most recent episode of Lower Decks was one of my favorites yet! I was primed to like it because I have a soft spot for Voyager, but the biggest writerly laugh from me was at the start of the Tendi/Mariner girls' trip when they called attention to the fact that it's season 2 and it's time to explore different permutations of the cast.


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 10:27 (10:27 AM)

I'm not a "Gatekeeper". I just hate Kurtzman Trek. The man is a talentless hack.


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 11:35 (11:35 AM)

I did like the girls trip as well, I especially liked that the cat just wanted the box. As a cat owner it did give me a laugh as I looked over at my own cat chewing up his box. I also love that they are exploring the lesser seen races a bit more, which is something that I tried to do here but I can only do so much.


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 15:16 (03:16 PM)

I did like the girls trip as well, I especially liked that the cat just wanted the box. As a cat owner it did give me a laugh as I looked over at my own cat chewing up his box. I also love that they are exploring the lesser seen races a bit more, which is something that I tried to do here but I can only do so much.

 

haha I kept trying to figure out what the catch was going to be with the Doctor, but I didn't see that coming at all.  :D

 

I agree! It's so cool to see a ton of species on-screen at once now that they don't have to worry about killing the budget. The ships on this show definitely look a little closer to what we come up with in the fan-verse.

 

 

I'm not a "Gatekeeper". I just hate Kurtzman Trek. The man is a talentless hack.

 

I mean Berman was worse than talentless, but there's still plenty to like in that era


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Posted Star Date 22108.30 @ 20:13 (08:13 PM)

 

 

 

I mean Berman was worse than talentless, but there's still plenty to like in that era

True, but I don't remember him begging fans to like his work then trashing them when they criticized it. OR using the show to shove his SJW politics down our throat.


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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 00:53 (12:53 AM)

I've heard that part about "SJW"s in new Trek and I've never really understood it. Can you explain what you mean? There are a lot of Black/LGBT characters and a lot of women in major roles, but that's not really political IMO because diversity has been part of the show's DNA all along


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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 01:05 (01:05 AM)

I've heard that part about "SJW"s in new Trek and I've never really understood it. Can you explain what you mean? There are a lot of Black/LGBT characters and a lot of women in major roles, but that's not really political IMO because diversity has been part of the show's DNA all along

 

That's a discussion to have via PM or email, as it can get out of hand on a public forum.


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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 01:12 (01:12 AM)

Optimists see one where pessimists see another. Then again, we pessimists have been jaded by Discovery and Picard.

 

I thought this thread was made for the purpose of open discussion... I can see you just want to bash everything. If you're going to have that attitude, I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Please try and find some happiness in your life.


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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 01:25 (01:25 AM)

I thought this thread was made for the purpose of open discussion... I can see you just want to bash everything. If you're going to have that attitude, I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Please try and find some happiness in your life.

Not everything, just everything that Kurtzman has his paws in. I'm not telling you to not like it, that's your call. I'm just saying why I and others like me hate it.


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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 01:32 (01:32 AM)

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Posted Star Date 22108.31 @ 01:45 (01:45 AM)

That's nothing to be Braggins about... :P

 

I know...I know...I can't help myself. 


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Posted Star Date 22109.02 @ 19:16 (07:16 PM)

This week's ep was cute! We got another interesting character dynamic with Boimler/Rutherford, and the way that they handled the

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Posted Star Date 22109.02 @ 21:50 (09:50 PM)

This week's ep was cute! We got another interesting character dynamic with Boimler/Rutherford, and the way that they handled the

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really rang true
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I do have to admit there are some decent episodes. This last one was pretty good. I did enjoy Tendi's plight to scan those officers who kept refusing to get their physicals. I still don't know how that Catian doctor graduated. LOL And the Boimler/Rutherford dynamic was interesting. 


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Posted Star Date 22109.13 @ 01:42 (01:42 AM)

Not everything, just everything that Kurtzman has his paws in. I'm not telling you to not like it, that's your call. I'm just saying why I and others like me hate it.

 

I take it then that you enjoyed the jab at Kurtzman here:

 

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Posted Star Date 22109.13 @ 12:13 (12:13 PM)

I take it then that you enjoyed the jab at Kurtzman here:

 

 

LOL

 

Yeah that was funny. Actually that whole episode was fine. 


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Posted Star Date 22109.14 @ 03:02 (03:02 AM)

The season so far as been, I think, better than last. It's starting to look like Kurtzman is less involved, other than him being the talking boy and saying "Trek is going to be all-year" type thing.

 

Picard S2 has my attention, hoping they don't screw it up. Prodigy may be advertised as a "kids show" but so were shows like Avatar and Clone Wars, so from the initial preview I'm hopeful. The 2nd half preview of Lower Decks has me pumped, only frustrated that their doing this whole 10-episode season bs. We didn't get a trailer for Strange New Worlds, but with their casting announcements and seeing a much better uniform has me really hopeful. The only show I'm not as excited for is Discovery, and I feel like if there's any show Kurtzman still has his paws on it's Discovery.

 

I think since Paramount/CBS is having to put up more of the money to produce the shows, I think they're starting to realize that maybe it's not the best thing to go with the Kurtzman vision for the shows and are getting competent people. I mean look at the Section 31 shows that been "in development" since 2019, when Kurtzman seemed to have more control of the Star Trek name. There's been next to nothing in news about it, and yet Strange New Worlds has already been filmed and it was brought into development later. Then again, fans were practically screaming for a Pike series over Section 31 and I think CBS/Paramount understood that.

 

So if they want to relegate Kurtzman to being the poster boy, doing nothing but hyping up the shows I can live with that. If they give him more creative control, then not so much.


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Posted Star Date 22109.14 @ 10:16 (10:16 AM)

The season so far as been, I think, better than last. It's starting to look like Kurtzman is less involved, other than him being the talking boy and saying "Trek is going to be all-year" type thing.

 

Picard S2 has my attention, hoping they don't screw it up. Prodigy may be advertised as a "kids show" but so were shows like Avatar and Clone Wars, so from the initial preview I'm hopeful. The 2nd half preview of Lower Decks has me pumped, only frustrated that their doing this whole 10-episode season bs. We didn't get a trailer for Strange New Worlds, but with their casting announcements and seeing a much better uniform has me really hopeful. The only show I'm not as excited for is Discovery, and I feel like if there's any show Kurtzman still has his paws on it's Discovery.

 

I think since Paramount/CBS is having to put up more of the money to produce the shows, I think they're starting to realize that maybe it's not the best thing to go with the Kurtzman vision for the shows and are getting competent people. I mean look at the Section 31 shows that been "in development" since 2019, when Kurtzman seemed to have more control of the Star Trek name. There's been next to nothing in news about it, and yet Strange New Worlds has already been filmed and it was brought into development later. Then again, fans were practically screaming for a Pike series over Section 31 and I think CBS/Paramount understood that.

 

So if they want to relegate Kurtzman to being the poster boy, doing nothing but hyping up the shows I can live with that. If they give him more creative control, then not so much.

That's what worries me. I wonder if the only reason they extended his contract is to make him a fall guy, which I'm cool with. But if they actually give him more creative control, Star Trek really will be a lost cause. I really am pumped for Strange New Worlds as long as it doesn't succumb to the Kurtzman Curse. 


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Posted Star Date 22110.07 @ 07:50 (07:50 AM)

Last week's ep is probably my reigning favorite ep. The Naked Time simulation made me laugh literally from the second it started.


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Posted Star Date 22110.07 @ 08:06 (08:06 AM)

It was hilarious to be sure, but I felt really bad for Boimler. All the simulations were rigged to make them fail, but not only had he passed multiple times but got a 100%. Until he had to stall, and get assimilated, just to help the Cerritos crew.

Also, I’m not entirely sure he’s actually Boimler. The holo Borg Queen didn’t even think he was human. I’m still of the opinion one of the Boimlers is a spy working for the Pakleds.

Edit: I also like the fact we’re getting less cold openings. Because honestly, most of them felt like they never tied into the story and were just for laughs.

Edited by Ens Amy Martinez, Star Date 22110.07 @ 08:09 (08:09 AM).

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Posted Star Date 22110.10 @ 13:04 (01:04 PM)

I had to laugh at the Pakleds, just finished the second season, its not so bad but I'm dying to see Strange New Worlds.  

 

When the Pakleds asked for another bomb because the other one the Klingons had given them stopped working after one use.


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Posted Star Date 22110.10 @ 22:15 (10:15 PM)

I had to laugh at the Pakleds, just finished the second season, its not so bad but I'm dying to see Strange New Worlds.  

 

When the Pakleds asked for another bomb because the other one the Klingons had given them stopped working after one use.

Agreed. Some of those jokes hit, like the Pakleds. I'm finding myself enjoying this season more than last season. It's still fun to nitpick from a writing perspective though. 


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Posted Star Date 22110.14 @ 14:50 (02:50 PM)

Don't want to spoil anything but season 2 episode ten was really good. As I've said the show seems to be going in the right direction (most of the time) and I like that it never takes itself seriously...until now. 

 

Woah, dude.


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